Penders: Rotor was supposed to be gay

Re: Penders: Rotor was supposed to be gay

feeds@kickapps.com (MattManic7325) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:03:07 PST

Samanfur the Fox wrote:

I think you'll find that for most of us who identify as gay, there's really no difference between the two.
I think that not seeing any difference is common to quite a few straight people, as well (myself included).

Sorry, that's very true. I hope I didn't come across as trying to sound exclusive or anything, as that wasn't my intent.

Full Metal Rayzor wrote:

So, if you don't agree with someone that automatically means you hate them? So, anybody you know who is conservative, even family members, you hate them since many of you think that conservatism isn't right either?

While this certainly isn't the place to get into an argument about the semantics of sexuality,...

Re: Penders: Rotor was supposed to be gay

feeds@kickapps.com (Full Metal Rayzor) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:01:12 PST

Samanfur the Fox wrote:

I think you'll find that for most of us who identify as gay, there's really no difference between the two.
I think that not seeing any difference is common to quite a few straight people, as well (myself included).

So, if you don't agree with someone that automatically means you hate them? So, anybody you know who is conservative, even family members, you hate them since many of you think that conservatism isn't right either?

Re: Penders: Rotor was supposed to be gay

feeds@kickapps.com (Samanfur the Fox) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:53:16 PST

Precisely.

Re: Penders: Rotor was supposed to be gay

feeds@kickapps.com (Veckums) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:52:35 PST

I'm more of the "what the bleep does gay lifestyle mean?" variety.

Re: Penders: Rotor was supposed to be gay

feeds@kickapps.com (Samanfur the Fox) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:40:15 PST

I think you'll find that for most of us who identify as gay, there's really no difference between the two.

I think that not seeing any difference is common to quite a few straight people, as well (myself included).

Re: Penders: Rotor was supposed to be gay

feeds@kickapps.com (MattManic7325) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:28:44 PST

To be fair we shouldn't be placing the blame for wanting attention on Ken, since it was his lapdog BobR who made the big "revelation". Mind you, BobR doesn't believe anything post-#159 is canon, so...

It is not that I hate gays, I just don't think the life style is right.

I think you'll find that for most of us who identify as gay, there's really no difference between the two.

Re: Penders: Rotor was supposed to be gay

feeds@kickapps.com (DC) — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:42:11 PST

I see your point Sam, Ken trying to stay relvent with the comic book. I never saw Rotor like that, I thought either he just didn't find the right girl or was focusing on things other than romance. I am glad to hear that it sounds like Ian will not go though with the idea. It is not that I hate gays, I just don't think the life style is right. Anyway, even though Archie and Sega did let Ken get away with the possiblity of Knux and Juile Sue having a child out of wedlock, I think this probably would have been too controversial even for them, and I really don't want to see Archie deal with something so controversial.

Re: Penders: Rotor was supposed to be gay

feeds@kickapps.com (Dreamer of Nights) — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:26:21 PST

SHADONIC wrote:
Sega probably would allow it. Archie on other hand , being more conservative probably would have shoot it down.

You mean the Comics Code Authority would prohibit it. I think Archie would have downplayed the fact (something like a Ernie and Bert, "best friends so much we share everything).

That's my two cents/pence/euros/whatever

Re: Penders: Rotor was supposed to be gay

feeds@kickapps.com (Cookirini) — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:23:40 PST

Ok, so Rotor is gay. While it's certainly an interesting new tidbit (and its giving me ideas, gurrgh), I have one question: Why, in the end, does it matter whether we knew that or not?

I have to go with Sam on this one. He's trying to stay relevant about a comic book he hasn't worked on in half a decade because 1. He needs attention, 2. He thinks everyone will be shocked about it, and 3. He wants back on the book. Because it's 'his' book when push comes to shove in his mind.

Quite honestly, I think Ken could lay off trying to get back onto the Sonic comic and do something more productive. Like, say, work on The Lost Ones.

*swish!*

Re: Penders: Rotor was supposed to be gay

feeds@kickapps.com (D B Vulpix) — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 23:41:11 PST

Well I guess to rephrase what I said earlier. If Penders was "dropping hints" he did a bad job. At least with Mina it was easier to follow. A male talking to another male doesn't make him gay. But I keep wondering why the matters of sexuality are even being considered in a comic like this. It's like the whole relationship thing in general. I can kinda understand it when Fleetway fans say that Archie is focused too much on love and teen angst. But at least now a days its been action packed!

Eh. I have nothing else to say about this then.

Re: Penders: Rotor was supposed to be gay

feeds@kickapps.com (Administrative) — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:11:04 PST

If a character is going to be gay I want to know this from the start.

" Ohai my name is Rotor. I'm gay. I also make stuff! "

Realistically speaking a person doesn't always know they're gay from the beginning. They might try and struggle in heterosexual relationships for years before coming to terms with who they really are. I guess if you were to relate the process to a (not gay) character in the comic you can take a look at Mina. She thought for certain she was in love with Sonic and was adamant about her feelings until the very end. Ultimately she found true love with someone else. The only part really missing was how she got from Point A to Point B thanks to the time jump. They kind of redeemed that during that arch with Heavy and Bomb. That's an example of a more realistic progression.

But wait if this is taking place in the 25 years later arc doesn't that make this...

Re: Penders: Rotor was supposed to be gay

feeds@kickapps.com (D B Vulpix) — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:39:12 PST

It's Dumbledor and Lexington all over again! *beats head against a brick wall*

What upsets me is when it comes out of nowhere. If a character is going to be gay I want to know this from the start. I don't know why I do but I just do. I'm probably evil for wanting that though. I'm one of the few left on this earth who assumes a character is straight until the narrator or evidence proves otherwise. Am I a bad person for this? I know I sound like a total close-minded jerk but getting news like that is like swiping the rug right out from under my feet. Though not so much in this instance. Rotor isn't around much anyway.

And if Penders was dropping hints he didn't do a very good job of it. More like a shallow attention grabber to me.

But wait if this is taking place in the 25 years later arc doesn't that make this sexual orientation only a possible of many many other possibilities? If you look at it that way it doesn't matter...

Re: Penders: Rotor was supposed to be gay

feeds@kickapps.com (Sailor Rose Dust) — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:56:20 PST

Sega probably would allow it.

After all the Sonic x Elise shenanigans, why not?

Re: Penders: Rotor was supposed to be gay

feeds@kickapps.com (SHADONIC) — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:13:35 PST

Sega probably would allow it. Archie on other hand , being more conservative probably would have shoot it down.

Re: Penders: Rotor was supposed to be gay

feeds@kickapps.com (NeoRemington373) — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:38:24 PST

Frankly, I'm more curious that should something like this really would have happened, would either Archie or Sega allow it? I honestly just can't see it.

Re: Penders: Rotor was supposed to be gay

feeds@kickapps.com (Lil Susy941) — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:01:40 PST

Don't we all? And I've learned that it's not just "at school." Those idiots stay idiots their whole lives.

I think it's more along the fact that half of the accusers in question years on turn out to be homosexual themselves

Plate in the eye and all that

Re: Penders: Rotor was supposed to be gay

feeds@kickapps.com (Veckums) — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:53:11 PST

[quote]I don't think the fact that he wasn't paired off with a girl, or the fact that he shared a room with another guy are clues that he's gay.

I wish someone had your logic when I was at school[/quote]

Don't we all? And I've learned that it's not just "at school." Those idiots stay idiots their whole lives. That I got to talk to a lower concentration of idiots online has entirely to do with audience selection, not that they were out of high school.

Re: Penders: Rotor was supposed to be gay

feeds@kickapps.com (Samanfur the Fox) — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:42:35 PST

Saw this reported elsewhere. Meh.

Personally, I object to the stereotyping and judging a book by its cover - especially since Rotor was a character who actually seemed to devolve over time, under Penders' writing. He was a lot more rounded in SatAM - admittedly, perhaps because he was taking a lot of the role that should've been occupied by Tails, but he still was confident, friendly and not afraid of getting into the thick of it. When Tails actually started taking that back in Archie (and even a while before), there was no effort to do anything with the idea of redefining his role except to make him even more withdrawn, even more socially maladroit and even more monomaniacal about his tech.

I don't know precisely when Penders started cultivating this idea (and if you check Penders' board itself, you'll find that it was just Penders' idea - Dub pointed me to this a couple of days ago), but the...

Re: Penders: Rotor was supposed to be gay

feeds@kickapps.com (Lil Susy941) — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:00:39 PST

I find it ironic that of all the characters chosen to be gay in this series it isn't one of the usual main characters commonly paired off in fandom.

I don't think the fact that he wasn't paired off with a girl, or the fact that he shared a room with another guy are clues that he's gay.

I wish someone had your logic when I was at school

Re: Penders: Rotor was supposed to be gay

feeds@kickapps.com (JohnnyMac86) — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:20:02 PST

I have nothing against homosexuality, but it has been what? 16 years since the comic has debut & i joined on sth #29 & this really is something. I'm only going to lmao on the fact that this is surprising news. It's STH #206 & we find out about this now? Though I do need to say up to this point, I never would have noticed. If it weren't for the article, I probably would have never known.

Penders: Rotor was supposed to be gay

feeds@kickapps.com (SHADONIC) — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:28:52 PST

http://www.tssznews.com/2009/11/10/rotor-planned-as-gay-character-says-ken-penders/

Well that explain a why Rotor was the only Freedom Fighter that was never paired with any of the female. Curious I wonder with Ian in charge this plot is no longer valid?