Sonic the Hedgehog #210 & Sonic Universe #13 Previews/Spoilers/Discussion

Re: Sonic the Hedgehog #210 & Sonic Universe #13 Previews/Spoilers/Discussion

feeds@kickapps.com (Lil Susy941) — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 03:05:45 PST

Memes found their way into the comic too. It definitely feels like Ian is taking in the trends he sees now in his writing.

I've noticed. For example, I specially like Shadow vs. KnucklesEnergak, and Sonic coming in and poking fun at the way they shouted out their attacks as they fought. Bit of a poke at DBZ maybe?

'Course if Amy starts acting like a Japanese Schoolgirl I'll have to draw the line. That's just uncalled for.

You mean she isn't already?

Re: Sonic the Hedgehog #210 & Sonic Universe #13 Previews/Spoilers/Discussion

feeds@kickapps.com (Bsonic10) — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:29:44 PST

Administrative wrote:
Mhm. That was it.

Don't know why but I feel like the newer Non-echidna Legionaries will be treated second class by default which'll lead to some conflict in the group. Lien-da who's running the show now might be overwhelmed by it all and cave under the pressure. It's not easy being leader. Maybe she'd realize that one of these days.

Actually, I was wondering if Lien-Da would be head honcho of the whole system as well, but apparently, Ian's working with the idea that a Grand Master=a Grandmaster (see question 24), which does make sense. So working with that idea, technically the Grandmaster of the Platypus DEL would be of equal power/sway as Lien-Da. Since I think most of these new DELs are working as sub-bosses, I think they're basically just...

Re: Sonic the Hedgehog #210 & Sonic Universe #13 Previews/Spoilers/Discussion

feeds@kickapps.com (Veckums) — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:50:05 PST

I also prefer the Sonic version.

What happened to the rule that every cover must include Sonic looking at the camera? Is it any character that is Sega licensed now?

I tend to draw a distinction between "bad characters" and poorly written ones. I've said enough times that St. John struck me as a valid counterpoint to Sonic that just wasn't being grasped as well as he could be, so I'm interested to see if Ian can do what he did forScourge and properly bring that out.

Meh, at least they could make him look like a Sonic character. Oh wait, what's that? They kind of did. He almost looks like he has Sonic unified eyes (but it's just the mask hiding the black) and he's got more dynamic elements. I very much do not like his suit, but I approve of redesigning Archie's generic anthros to be more series appropriate.

Re: Sonic the Hedgehog #210 & Sonic Universe #13 Previews/Spoilers/Discussion

feeds@kickapps.com (Administrative) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:13:57 PST

Mhm. That was it.

Don't know why but I feel like the newer Non-echidna Legionaries will be treated second class by default which'll lead to some conflict in the group. Lien-da who's running the show now might be overwhelmed by it all and cave under the pressure. It's not easy being leader. Maybe she'd realize that one of these days.

EDIT:
Forgot to mention the new cover. I like the cover we previously saw more, but this isn't too bad.

First thing I saw was Gigantic Disproportionate Amy-Head. Then I saw " Bring It " and grimaced.

One thing I noticed is that it seems as though they modified Mobotropolis' Barrier from Semi-Transparent to Iron (Lulz). I immediately thought " EggDome 2.0 ". Guess they'll be stationed there for a while. The people coming in from Iron Dominion didn't like the old Eggdome anyway.

.......Is this...

Re: Sonic the Hedgehog #210 & Sonic Universe #13 Previews/Spoilers/Discussion

feeds@kickapps.com (tiggerkiddo) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:05:24 PST

I'm gonna say I like the old version better...The new cover isn't bad...I just don't like how Amy looks.

Re: Sonic the Hedgehog #210 & Sonic Universe #13 Previews/Spoilers/Discussion

feeds@kickapps.com (Bsonic10) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:24:59 PST

Administrative wrote:

I think that was a reference to the new DELs that are popping up on Mobius. We're slated to see the new Platypus DEL in Downunda (SU#9-12), and there were major hints in the FCBD issue that there were more Mobians like them.

Yeah. I faintly remember something being said about there really being mobian supporters of Robotnik / Eggman out there. I suppose they got some perks during the Eggman Empire era (Cybernetics) that work against them now in Iron Dominion.

Yeah, the hints were basically that they gave in to be spared and hold power in his empire.

I'm willing to wait and see what Ian does with St. John....

Re: Sonic the Hedgehog #210 & Sonic Universe #13 Previews/Spoilers/Discussion

feeds@kickapps.com (ChaoRcute) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:27:03 PST

Anybody else notice that the old version has been replaced?

Dear god, Amy? XD

Re: Sonic the Hedgehog #210 & Sonic Universe #13 Previews/Spoilers/Discussion

feeds@kickapps.com (Samanfur the Fox) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 05:08:14 PST

I tend to draw a distinction between "bad characters" and poorly written ones. I've said enough times that St. John struck me as a valid counterpoint to Sonic that just wasn't being grasped as well as he could be, so I'm interested to see if Ian can do what he did forScourge and properly bring that out.

I'd rather see old characters re-energised than yet another load of new characters added to the cast, when there're so many with that potential that've just been thrown away over the years.

Re: Sonic the Hedgehog #210 & Sonic Universe #13 Previews/Spoilers/Discussion

feeds@kickapps.com (Lil Susy941) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 04:34:31 PST

"Legionised?"

I like Nicole's new style. Everythings going Eastern. But mewonders.........

.......Is this Archies take on the weeabooism taking over the internet?

Amy: "OMG Sonnikku! He's so kawaii!"

Antione: Sacre bleu! She's one of them!

Amy: No, wait! Hey watch it with that sword!

Re: Sonic the Hedgehog #210 & Sonic Universe #13 Previews/Spoilers/Discussion

feeds@kickapps.com (Administrative) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 03:53:42 PST

I don't like the attempts to bring back bad characters.

It's a bit of hit or miss for me. Scourge, Dr. Finitevus, the Iron Queen, and to a lesser extent Lien-da are older characters who were fleshed out to be much better then what they were previously. Monkey Khan still doesn't set well with me even with the attempts to make him a better character. He always seems to be swinging between being too depressed or being too angry / serious like an on and off switch. He hasn't even been a " regular " for ten issues and I want him to go away already.

Would I want him to bring in someone completely new? Come to think of it he didn't really bring in many completely " new " characters over his run. Conquering Storm is the only one who immediately comes to mind and we haven't seen much of her. The current " situation " in Mobotropolis could be a good ground of bringing in someone completely...

Re: Sonic the Hedgehog #210 & Sonic Universe #13 Previews/Spoilers/Discussion

feeds@kickapps.com (Bsonic10) — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:03:30 PST

I remember there being a " Spoiler " a while back about non-echidna Legion members. This could be it.

I think that was a reference to the new DELs that are popping up on Mobius. We're slated to see the new Platypus DEL in Downunda (SU#9-12), and there were major hints in the FCBD issue that there were more Mobians like them.

However, you're idea for cybernetics doesn't seem too bad. Maybe the Mobians will (also or instead) have those chips installed into them that were meant for the DEL, then they'll be the slaves of the ID, similar to robotization.

Re: Sonic the Hedgehog #210 & Sonic Universe #13 Previews/Spoilers/Discussion

feeds@kickapps.com (tiggerkiddo) — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:21:42 PST

Do you mean bad as in villains? Or bad as in they are written poorly and should be written out entirely?

I didn't mind the reappearance of Kahn at first but he's done a lot of emo since then and it's getting a little old. I'm aware of the stuff he went through but...STILL. As for Geoff, I'd like to see Ian do something with him, flesh him out a bit more.

Re: Sonic the Hedgehog #210 & Sonic Universe #13 Previews/Spoilers/Discussion

feeds@kickapps.com (Veckums) — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:44:48 PST

Geoffrey St. John?

I don't like the attempts to bring back bad characters. The Iron Queen, definitely, make her more interesting and gain a credible villain. Anti-Sonic, well, I believed that it would be better just to write him out, but Ian did so well with anti-Mobius that he convinced me otherwise. However, if I were to write a list of characters I would not want to see again, Geoffrey St. John and Monkey Khan would be near the top. Part of that is that it works better with villains since they provide plots and don't pose competition to better characters for screen time. Also part of it is that they are both very generic designs. Anybody who doesn't know Sonic comics couldn't even guess what cartoon they come from.

Re: Sonic the Hedgehog #210 & Sonic Universe #13 Previews/Spoilers/Discussion

feeds@kickapps.com (tiggerkiddo) — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:07:48 PST

So I'm guessing by the excerpt that perhaps the good doctor is back to his sane self?

Re: Sonic the Hedgehog #210 & Sonic Universe #13 Previews/Spoilers/Discussion

feeds@kickapps.com (Administrative) — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 07:19:46 PST

"legionized."

Just a guess, but do you suppose that this is a new method of " Robotization "? Mobians are now immune to Robotization but they probably won't reject cybenetics. The captured mobians are given a set of cybernetics that makes them suspectable to the Iron Queen's / Kommisar's control. Just another way of Regina expanding her already impression army.

I remember there being a " Spoiler " a while back about non-echidna Legion members. This could be it.

Re: Sonic the Hedgehog #210 & Sonic Universe #13 Previews/Spoilers/Discussion

feeds@kickapps.com (Samanfur the Fox) — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 05:27:50 PST

Focused on side-character-centric arcs/stories would be my preference.

What he said. Do as the title suggests and do some universe-building. The first arc was okay for that, showing us more of Blaze's world (even if it had to use the tweeny fanboy magnet as an attention grab).

I need to catch up with Bumbleking, though - RL's been hectic recently.

Re: Sonic the Hedgehog #210 & Sonic Universe #13 Previews/Spoilers/Discussion

feeds@kickapps.com (Bsonic10) — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 05:19:22 PST

NelStone wrote:

tiggerkiddo wrote:
Hmmm so then what direction would people want SU to be taken?
Focused on side-character-centric arcs/stories would be my preference.

That should still sort of come out of this story. MK, Tails, Sally, the Brides, the clans and the DK in general should be getting some focus. The only thing that kind of trips up this arc in SU is that it seems like Sonic is along for the ride. I'll be interested in seeing how Ian handles the 8 issues during those four months.

Either way, the solicit for #210 is out now (I'll update the main post):

SONIC THE HEDGEHOG #210

Written by Ian Flynn, art by Steven Butler.

"Home Invasion Part One": In the aftermath of the "Iron Dominion" saga, things are...

Re: Sonic the Hedgehog #210 & Sonic Universe #13 Previews/Spoilers/Discussion

feeds@kickapps.com (NelStone) — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 01:25:37 PST

tiggerkiddo wrote:
Hmmm so then what direction would people want SU to be taken?

Focused on side-character-centric arcs/stories would be my preference.

Re: Sonic the Hedgehog #210 & Sonic Universe #13 Previews/Spoilers/Discussion

feeds@kickapps.com (tiggerkiddo) — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 00:48:52 PST

Hmmm so then what direction would people want SU to be taken?

Re: Sonic the Hedgehog #210 & Sonic Universe #13 Previews/Spoilers/Discussion

feeds@kickapps.com (Bsonic10) — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:24:23 PST

Some things of note,

Tracy said this about #210's cover:

Tracy Yardley! wrote:
Just to let everyone know, and this is highly unusual, but 210 will 99.9% certainly have a COMPLETELY different cover than this one. This is because the current cover was needed very quickly for solicitations, and after some thought, we all thought we should take it in a different direction. I'll be mean and not post my inks for it right now.

And, by the way, Ben Hunzeker did do the colors for SU13's cover, and I must say I love the color scheme he went with.

And Ian said this about the new SU arc:

IanPotto wrote:
Okay, so I have no idea how much I can say right now, but considering the cat's out of the bag, I do want to point something out:

"Journey to the East" will...

Sonic the Hedgehog #210 & Sonic Universe #13 Previews/Spoilers/Discussion

feeds@kickapps.com (Bsonic10) — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:14:01 PST

SONIC UNIVERSE #13
"Journey into the East Part One: Endless Reach of Fate": After a fierce battle with the Spider Ninjas, Sonic rescues Sally, Tails and Monkey Khan from the Gossamer Clan Cave in which they've been imprisoned. Things get introspective as Sally blames herself for the recent turn of events, but when they all meet the Bride of the Endless Reach, our heroes realize they are in the middle of a much bigger picture than they thought! Ties into this month's SONIC THE HEDGEHOG #210
SCRIPT: Ian Flynn
ART: Tracy Yardley.
Shipping Date: February 10th, 2010
On Sale at Comic Shops: February 17th, 2010
Newsstands: March 2nd, 2010
32-page, full color comic
$2.50 US