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Welcome to Knothole Village! Take a visit here under the shade of the Great Forest and chill for a while. This forum is open for all discussion on absolutely ANYTHING concerning the Archie Sonic Comics, or their cartoon origins in Sonic SatAM and AoStH. SU discussion is also okay here. Consider this place a hub for all fans that wish to discuss, complain, or praise recent goings on. Have fun! :) |
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Samanfur the Fox |
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And as long as it's tied to Sega's character and Sega's licensing agreement, it doesn't have that kind of autonomy.
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16BitAlex |
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I'd prefer that the Archie comic not take too much influence from the game canon. If this trend continues, the Archie comic could phase out the FF's and just have the Jap cast.
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True Red |
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Quote: It does. Name a canon that has King Elias, Queen Alicia, Mina, Geoffrey, Drago, Fearsome Foursome/Destructix, Mammoth Mogul, Zonic, Tails as the "Chosen One," Knuckles as the "Savior/Avatar," Nate Morgan, Colin Kintobor (and the many others), Hope Kintobor, Merlin Prower, Amadeus/Rosemary Prower, Fiona, Downunda, Albion, Echidnaopolis/Dingo City, etc. Archie has its own direction. It has its own canon. It just adds bits from every other Sonic canon in existence, but it does it in its own way. Hence, why many "game fans" hate Archie for "messing up the characters" and many "SatAM fans" hate Archie for "messing up the characters." Archie, at the end of the day, does what it wants to do and goes against what those who don't take Archie for what it is--a mixture of everything with a different spin--get upset. For every person that complains that there is "too much" of something, there's another person complaining that there "isn't enough" of the same thing. The funny thing is that while there's some listening to that stuff on certain issues (definitely not on the minor ones), for the most part, Archie is just doing its own thing. It's only restrictions would be on whatever ground rules have been set since Sonic isn't Archie's property. Those ground rules haven't affected much or else Archie wouldn't be what it is now. For example, complaints about Robotnik's "looks" (and most other characters) are extremely minor & totally unimportant--and anyone who actually believes that's important, I'd like to know if you'd read the comic if Robotnik had his SatAM look but the only characters in the comic were the Sega cast; because if "design" is more important than story/characters, then we'll just have to agree to disagree. Mountains are made out of molehills a lot of times--and personally, Archie mirrors SatAM more than any other Sonic universe so we SatAM fans have the least to complain about with regards to representation. SatAM doesn't exist without the games, nor does Archie. Archie acknowledges the games sometimes--why care so much as to lose perspective about Archie itself: Archie is its own canon no matter how much it references other Sonic universes, including SatAM or the games. |
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Dirk Amoeba |
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First of all, Alex, that's a racial slur and using it as an abbreviation for "Japanese" is frowned upon. If you'd like to abbreviate, "JPN" is more appropriate. Furthermore, Tails, Amy, Knuckles, Rouge, Shadow, and the Sega crew are not the "Japanese" cast, nor have they ever been, any more than Sonic is. Like Sonic, all of those characters were designed not for the Japanese market but for the international market.
As for True Red, I agree with much of what you're saying. But design certainly is important. Remember "Titan Tails?" It was very hard to take him seriously because his design was awful. As for the relationship between the comic and the games, it's a lot like the relationship between Smallville and the Superman comics. The show Smallville is a separate canon with its own characters and situations, with new concepts and new takes on old concepts. It's certainly its own thing and the variation is a lot of fun. But at the core, it's an adaptation of the Superman mythos, and so there are going to be a lot of Superman elements in there, as well as other DC comic characters. And sometimes it will draw form other canons (there are specific references to the Superman film canon, for instance), but it has a canon all its own. The Sonic comic is like that. It has a canon of its own, but it is part of a franchise and it must stay true to that. It draws from the games and from other Sonic canons. It's always awesome when Smallville brings in DC comic characters and story elements, and I often love it when the Sonic comic brings in game elements. |
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True Red |
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Ugh, bad memories. I hated that look, but it didn't affect my opinion of the story (which wasn't that high anyway).
I look at designs the same way I look at pencilers--some are more pleasing than others. But it's the story that matters. I care a zillion times more about what the writer is doing than the artwork. I'll comment on designs because I don't like everything (and so I enjoyed Amy talking about Fiona's horrible outfit in #172), but dwelling on that beyond a minor discussion is not something I can ever do. It's just not important to me similar to the cover of a comic or book. If it's nice, great. If it's not, I just can't care. |
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comix750 |
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Archie was at it's best when the games were pretty much on hiatus, in between Sonic 3 and Sonic Adventure. There were only a handful of un-successful to
moderately-successful sonic spin-offs during that time. 1995-1999. during that time archie had the amaziong knuckles solo comic, endgame, ixis naugus, enerjak,
mammoth mogul, the birth and death of the super specials, the downunda freedom fighters, the chaotix were actually cool and important, etc etc. Archie had
freer reign then.
on a simliar note, does anyone have a list of comics based off the games? thank you kindly |
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MattManic7325 |
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Sonic Spinball (#6)
Sonic the Hedgehog 3 (#13) (also combined with Sonic 2 and Sonic & Knuckles for the Sonic-Quest mini-series) Sonic & Knuckles (Sonic & Knuckles Special, and partly the SonicQuest miniseries) Sonic CD (#25) SegaSonic the Hedgehog (Knuckles #26-28) Sonic Triple Trouble (Sonic Triple Trouble Special) Knuckles' Chaotix (Knuckles' Chaotix Special) Sonic 3D Blast (Sonic Blast Special) Sonic Adventure (Super Special #13, and issues 79-84) Sonic Shuffle (#92) Sonic Adventure 2 (#98) Sonic Rush (#160 & #161) Sonic Riders (#163 & #164) Shadow The Hedgehog (#171) (Shadow's origins) Sonic Rush Adventure (#180) Sonic and the Secret Rings (free comic made for the game) Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood (#191) Sonic Unleashed (#193) |
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comix750 |
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Thanks!
"Sonic Adventure 2 (#98) Sonic Rush (#160 & #161)" Dang, look at that gap! huge! what is that, 5 years? ah, and these were the glory years i was talking about earlier: "Sonic CD (#25) SegaSonic the Hedgehog (Knuckles #26-28) Sonic Triple Trouble (Sonic Triple Trouble Special) Knuckles' Chaotix (Knuckles' Chaotix Special) Sonic 3D Blast (Sonic Blast Special) Sonic Adventure (Super Special #13, and issues 79-84)" the 4 years between Sonic CD (the last major 2D Sonic game) and Sonic Adventure. In those sensational years you just had the odd special to commemorate a B- or C-list game, or as with segasonic, a backup feature 6 years after it came out! Look at all these in the last 3 years: "Sonic Rush (#160 & #161) Sonic Riders (#163 & #164) Shadow The Hedgehog (#171) (Shadow's origins) Sonic Rush Adventure (#180) Sonic and the Secret Rings (free comic made for the game) Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood (#191) Sonic Unleashed (#193) " that's a ton in a short time. I definitely think now the comics are taking more leaves from sonic's videogame books, so to speak. The re-introduction of videogame-style Heavy and Bomb (huzzah!), the introduction of Bark and Bean (yeah), and adaptions of near every single Sonic game as it comes out (aw...) make this quite apparant. Although i love the new Heavy Bomb and FINALLY bark and bean's intro (probably to coincide with Sonic Gems), I dunno if i like Achie's current direction..... |
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Legionfan44 |
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..Man...ALl I cna say is Archie Cannon is awsome..I mean it draws the best elements from the cartoons and games & mixes it with their own origional
ideas...It doesn't get much better then that...& Alex...THe FF & other archie characters are important to te series...You can't just phase them
out...Besides the Japanese cast alone would'nt last very long...I mean look at sonic X its Segasonic..sorta...and the Comic only lasted 40 issues.
(Thankfully being replaced with the Awsome Sonic Universe series.) but yea...nothing wrong with archie continuity....Its a perfect blend of Cartoons, games
& origionallity...so....Yea.
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KaylaTheHedgehog |
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The word is 'canon'.
I'm still waiting for Metal Knuckles and Tails Doll to show up. I mean, come on, why should Sonic get all the evil robotic counterparts?
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matthayter700 |
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CharlesRocketboy wrote:It already does take influence from many continuities "anyhow"; the comics seem to be a "crossover continuity" where they mix ideas from different continuities and add their own. As for how much of each, or how much of their own... well obviously that's up to them, but I'm not even sure what I would prefer, probably because I haven't been following the comic in years... Though I think the difference between the influence from the games and the influence from the non-games is that the non-game continuities are sort of "spinoff" continuities, that are partly a result of the games, but not entirely; it's interesting to wonder, if the Sonic idea didn't become a popular video game, which of the ideas used for ArchieSonic or other continuities have been used elsewhere, in some comic or cartoon of some mainstream game series other than Sonic? I guess you couldn't really know for sure what would happen if things turned out differently, since you can't really "test" for that... |
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