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 Sailor Rose Dust |
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Posts: 2210 (03/20/2009 11:29 AM) |
sonic fan 53 wrote: As far as I know, Sega no longer considers S3&K canon. And Mecha Sonic was also a hedgehog, albeit a mechanical one. Of course I doubt Sega has any idea what's canon and what's not. |
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Posts: 697 (03/20/2009 1:31 PM) HQ Forumer |
Are we to assume that SEGA no longer considers StH3&K simply because their games have not directly referenced it in the past few years? I think that's
jumping the gun abit.
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Posts: 4425 (03/20/2009 1:49 PM) Kyon/John Smith Shipper
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Right, Sonic Heroes more or less finalized the idea that Knux and Tails cannot Super Saiyan. Blaze seems able to only due to the Sol Emeralds, which is an
entirely different kettle of fish.
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Posts: 2211 (03/20/2009 1:58 PM) |
Considering how degraded Angel Island is now compared to the one in S3&K, yeah, I'd say it's not considered canon, at least as far as the recent
games are concerned.
The only areas kept as of SA1 was Icecap, and Red Mountain could be debated to be Lava Reef. But other than those two zones, nothing else was kept. |
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sonic fan 53 |
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Posts: 19 (03/20/2009 2:14 PM) |
at this point i think it's safe to say that sega has reserved the super transformation to hedgehogs but remember reservations arean't always kept.
i'm just hoping the sega shakes up abit more with the emeralds, like give them more significance in the storyline |
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Craig Bayfield |
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Posts: 4426 (03/20/2009 2:23 PM) Kyon/John Smith Shipper
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Wait, wait. I know the scale of Angel Island seems small in SA1, but think of it from the perspectives of the CGI scenes. It's not only far taller than the
mountains of Mystic Ruins but has a mountain of it's own.
Mountains are in no ways small. I realize the perspective makes it look a lot different, but there's no evidence to suggest it's not the exact same place, particularly due to two known zones appearing in it. We are only limited to a small portion of it to explore. |
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Posts: 930 (03/20/2009 6:48 PM) |
That, and I would have to believe that the Jungle region from the Mystic Ruins might be part of Angel Island.
Check it out- that river in the background, in the section where Eggman built his Final Egg Base, also appears in the background of Angel Island Zone in Sonic Advance (or, at the very least, they based the background of the revamped Angel Island Zone on that scenery, which would STILL indicate it's meant to be part of the island)- AND those ruins ARE newly-discovered and all.... perhaps because they weren't THERE before? E EDIT: Found a pic. Someone find me a screenie of the section in question from SA so we can compare. I tells ya, they're eerily similar... like an amalgalm of the Adventure Field version and the scenery you see from Lost World... http://www.bghq.com/bgs/gba/s/sa/756.png Also, about Sonic Heroes... well, I HATE to reference Sonic '06, but there Super Sonic ups Shadow and Silver to Super form. Maybe they ARE Super Tails and Super Knuckles, and Sega just decided to tweak the look? They show the usual Super powers, and I wouldn't be surprised if they just wanted to streamline everything about the Super Forms to make them more similar to one another- look at Sonic Heroes as a WHOLE, how all the teams are essentially clones of one another. Back on the subject of Angel Island, check the map of the Mystic Ruins: http://info.sonicretro.org/images/b/b1/Mysticruins_map.png Note how the Ice Cap and Red Mountain sections of Angel Island are essentially right next door to the jungle ruins. You could easily see them being part of where AI overlapped the mainland when it fell. Still need that screenie of the landscape of the jungle section for comparison, though... "If you know you're going to make an idiot out of yourself in public, you might as well have fun with it!" (Grins idiotically) -Me, on my philosophy on life Me to myself: "One of these days, I'm gonna go without my Ritalin so I can come up with a Quote Of The Whenever."
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the Krayon |
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Posts: 698 (03/20/2009 7:23 PM) HQ Forumer |
I think that Sonic Heroes doesn't definitively lean one way or another on the issue of super forms. While it is my opinion that we do indeed see Super Tails and Super Knuckles in Sonic Heroes (just as sonic332 mentioned), but even if they aren't and are simply using abit of Super Sonic's power that doesn't mean that they couldn't. The facts of the matter are that even is SEGA don't show them in Super form doesn't mean that they couldn't be in Super form. I also believe that the whole of Angel Island as seen in Sonic 3 & Knuckles did fall in Sonic Adventure and, just as Craig said, the majority of the island simply isn't shown.
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Sailor Rose Dust |
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Posts: 2212 (03/21/2009 10:53 AM) |
I'll give on Angel Island, but I refuse to believe that Knuckles and Tails went Super in SH.
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Posts: 4428 (03/21/2009 1:15 PM) Kyon/John Smith Shipper
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I also believe they did not go super in Sonic Heroes. When I brought it up, I was referencing how they did not transform. I thought that was not a topic of
debate, I guess I thought like an idiot.
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SonicV2 |
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Posts: 1848 (03/21/2009 2:08 PM) Original Recolor
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They didn't go Super. They went like half Super or something.
Notice how it's usually two characters that always go super Sonic/Chaos Sonic/Shadow Sonic/Blaze Sonic/Tails with half/Knuckles with half as well Now I know what you're thinking. But what about Sonic 06? Three characters went into super form. Well in 06, space and time was warped beyond belief.
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sonic fan 53 |
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Posts: 20 (03/21/2009 3:42 PM) |
to sonicV2:
what is your question exactly |
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SonicV2 |
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Posts: 1850 (03/21/2009 4:00 PM) Original Recolor
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What question? I didn't have a question.
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sonic fan 53 |
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Posts: 21 (03/21/2009 11:18 PM) |
ooo then what about "Now I know what you're thinking. But what about Sonic 06? Three characters went into super form. Well in 06, space and time was warped beyond belief." |
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NelStone |
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Posts: 553 (03/21/2009 11:24 PM)
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He clearly had already anticipated that someone would ask it so he asked and answered it beforehand.
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nukeallthewhales |
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Posts: 1191 (03/22/2009 6:59 AM) |
Rhetorical questions are rhetorical.
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P1 Pause |
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Posts: 27 (03/22/2009 8:58 AM) |
On the Angel Island issue, more than two zones are referenced post S3+K.
Mushroom Hill; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuhnFhh6K_U&feature=PlayList&p=BCA9290E64FDF3B2&index=13 Jump to 7.00, Knux compares the Mushrooms in the 'Frog Forest' stage of Heroes to the ones on his island. Sandopolis; Tails Sand Hill minigame in Adventure? Not to mention I am sure some of the statues in the Desert stages in SA2 have Echidna heads. Lava Reef; Red Mountain in SA1. (Red mountain also has similar traps to Pumpkin Hill and Sky rail just fyi. That along with the Desert sugests to me Angel Island used to be connected to SA2s map.) Launch Base; The first crash site of the Death Egg. Bit of a strech, but is this the 'Crater' Chaos appears from for no reason in Battle? Ice Cap; Hmm, tough one. Casino Night; In fairness I can see why they would want to keep the giant theme park always out of sight by mountains, clouds, plotholes etc. Angel Island, Hydrocity, Marble Garden; All somewhat appear on the Advance games. Be it Advance1's Angel Island, Advance 3's Chaos Angel, or Battles Holy Summit. As for the who is Super issue, in a Codex in Chronicles it is mentioned that Sonic, Shadow and most relevantly 'Knux and many others' can go super using the Chaos Emeralds. (Have not played the whole game yet, so no idea it actually comes into the story at some point.) It could be referencing Heroes, or due to the lack of a direct mention to Tails it could be referencing S+K. But it does show that more than just Hedgehogs can go 'Super.' For those who care, my opinion is that you may be able to go super, but you need someone who has a 'plot device' 'connection' with the emeralds to do so. Who just so happen to be Sonic, Shadow, and Knux, the three menioned in the codex. |
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Posts: 4429 (03/22/2009 1:27 PM) Kyon/John Smith Shipper
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I suppose the whole "Who can go super" arguement is moot at this point, given that optional transformations into Super mode have not existed for like
15 years now.
Thank you for the little Heroes blurb, by the by. I must have missed it, and it's nice to see references to Angel Island in this time where the place is rarely ackolwedged. |
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Full Metal Rayzor |
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Posts: 2791 (03/22/2009 1:39 PM) pillar of optimism! |
P1 Pause wrote: I'm quite sure it was stated in Battle that the "Crater" was the place that Angel Island originally was.
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sonic fan 53 |
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Posts: 26 (03/22/2009 1:41 PM) |
i would like to see more of angel island in futrue games with more detail on the landscaping
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