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Full Metal Rayzor wrote:

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I'm just saying that I think He used a certain template and didn't deviate from it much.

Full Metal Rayzor wrote:

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In other words, I think He kept in line with carbon based, water dependent, etc. not thriving in a sun, vacuum, etc.

Sailor Rose Dust wrote:

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As far as intelligent life goes, if there is, they're obviously intelligent enough not to try to contact us.

Full Metal Rayzor wrote:

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Shadowed Spirit Sage wrote:

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but there are too many similar properties between Earth and our Moon to say that it was a completely foreign object that happened to pass into the gravitational pull and become a moon.... where Earth had the right properties, the perfect distance, and the correct atmosphere to support life. And everything took shape from there.

I may be stepping in it right now, but this is the problem I have with evolutionary theory to say that by some accident the earth and moon had many similarities, and that by some accident, the earth was some how "miraculously" the perfect distance, etc to support life, not to mention how everything works so smoothly, just seems so stupid, please don't take it as an insult.

To me it just screams intelligent design, I mean how many of us here would accept that a perfect work of Shakespeare would come out as a result that a book factory blew up, yet many have no problem thinking our universe, as well put together as it is, just came from some cosmic "gaseous belch." Again, that the earth and moon are made up of the same material, etc. is it really that far fetched to believe an all powerful God decided to make it out of the same materials? Like I said, I may be stepping in it right now, but that's my two cents.

Intelligent design is, in its essence, the belief that the diverse features and functions of the cosmos are the result of an intelligent cause as opposed to mere acts of chance. Since the 'intelligent design' stance arose into existence, it has been associated with Christianity and, in particular, biblical creationism.

This, in my opinion, is extremely unfortunate. The most basic premise of intelligent design, when stripped of its Christian embroidery, resonates with Truth (at least as far as I'm concerned). That's why I've made this post, so that the magnificent concept of intelligent design can be shared by both Christians and non-Christians alike and also to assist the intelligent design concept in existing without automatically being associated with Christian beliefs and dogmas (ie. usually anti-evolutionary creationism). Intelligent design does not deserve to be treated only as a mask used to disguise biblical creationism and have it covertly taught in public schools, because intelligent design is INFINITELY MORE than just that. Actually, ALL of the modern major religions on Earth (without exception) embrace the concept of intelligent design to varying degrees.

Intelligence is tacitly expressed in our cosmos in many subtle ways. First of all, we live in a universe containing billions upon billions of galaxies. In each galaxy, there are many billions of stars and orbiting some (if not most!) of these stars are planets. These planets orbit the star of their particular solar system. Their orbits are so nicely arranged that planetary collisions are practically unheard-of.

Now the word 'intelligent' is a very difficult word to define, because it's such a nebulous concept. But no matter what anyone might think, we humans are certainly intelligent (though whether we actually use our intelligence for noble purposes is highly debateable.....). Wikipedia broadly defines intelligence (an umbrella term) as: "A property of the mind that encompasses many related abilities, such as the capacities to reason, to plan, to solve problems, to think abstractly, to comprehend ideas, to use language and to learn."

What is the CAUSE of your intelligence? Did you gain intelligence from a certain combination of chemicals in your brain? Or is the source of your intelligence something less materialistic and mechanical? If intelligence is a fundamental property of the universe in which we live, then the greatest mysteries of all time suddenly become less mysterious.

The ancient metaphysical axiom 'as is above, so is below; as is below, so is above' has received full scientific confirmation in our modern era and, furthermore, provides strong support for the assertion of intelligent design. For example, modern science has shown to us that an atom is constructed and arranged in EXACTLY the same way as a solar system with its planets. A nucleus is to an atom what a star is to a solar system. Furthermore, electrons orbiting a nucleus are to an atom what planets orbiting a star are to a solar system. As if that's not enough, atoms are also constructed and arranged in EXACTLY the same way as the stars of solar systems which each orbit a common galactic centre of mass, a galactic nucleus. What I've just provided is a model. I've provided a model which OBSERVABLY repeats its expression at both microscopic and macroscopic scales.

There are also many comparatively minor things we can take note of which give credence to the notion that our universe's 'design' is intelligent. For example, let's start with our Moon. Our Moon happens to have the SAME apparent size as our Sun, which enables it to cause virtually PERFECT eclipses. Also, scientific studies inform us that if there was a slightly higher concentration of oxygen in our planet's atmosphere, insects would have tremendously large statures. What could possibly occur if there was a slightly lower concentration of oxygen in our planet's atmosphere? Also, we have 5 fingers on both of our hands. Why 5? Why not 3 instead? Or perhaps 6?

DNA is also something that I have no doubt about having been intelligently designed. It is certainly up for debate whether or not patterns readily observable in Nature (ie. snowflakes, tornados, hurricanes, sand dunes, stalactites, rivers, ocean waves etc.) are intelligently designed. But codes are different from patterns and they ARE intelligently designed. Examples of symbolic codes include music, blueprints, languages like English and Chinese and Japanese, computer programs, and yes, DNA. This essential distinction is the difference between a pattern and a code. Chaos can produce patterns, but it has never been shown to produce codes or symbols. Codes and symbols store information, which is not a property of matter alone. Information itself is a separate and distinct entity on par with matter. DNA is not merely a molecule with a pattern; it is a code, a language and an information storage mechanism. All codes we know the origin of are created by a conscious mind. Therefore, DNA was logically ALSO designed by a conscious mind (or conscious minds).

ALL sounds indicate the presence of a speaker. ALL actions indicate the presence of a doer. ALL thoughts indicate the presence of a thinker.
There is indeed a cosmic design and that cosmic design is pretty damn intelligent!

Trudi Speed wrote:

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I'm going to be the manditory person mentioning "what if God created evolution and all that jazz"

For the record, I'm not a creationist. At least not a biblical creationist, anyway. However, that doesn't mean I unquestioningly support the Darwinian theory of evolution by natural selection. I guess I sit somewhere in the middle. Some things are hard to explain. I'm convinced that at least some aspects of the Darwinian theory of evolution are true (and not only true, but OBSERVABLY true), yet I also believe that these aspects were intentionally set into motion - whether it was by a god, gods, 'God', Ronald McDonald, Chuck Norris etc., I don't know.

Trudi Speed wrote:

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We barely know anything about the universe.

This is true.

Trudi Speed wrote:

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Heck, we don't even know how many universes there might be.

I think that there are an infinite number of universes. My belief is that this universe is akin to an atom (or at least something similar) which is embedded in a far vaster cosmic structure and this vaster cosmic structure is itself akin to an atom (or something similar) which is embedded in a far vaster cosmic structure ad infinitum. If this is true, then I'm certain that this process would not begin with our universe. A single atom (perhaps every atom) embedded within this universe might contain a universe of its own and so on ad infinitum.

Sailor Rose Dust wrote:

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In fact, I think it makes it even more miraculous that God gave all of these creatures the capability to change and adapt to whatever environment they reside in.