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NeoRemington373		#21	[-]
Posts: 3466 (11/21/2009 3:16 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	B Vulpix wrote: A Squirrel and Hedgehog Speaking of Korean anime. I started watching this yesturday, no subtitles so I have NO idea whats going on but...I kind of get the gist of it. It's propaganda no doubt with the Koreans being the squirrels and Hedgehogs and...I THINK the Japanese are the weasels and mice/rats. The Japanese get mowed down in the hundreds every episode but so far only 2 Koreans have been shown to die and both have been from kamikaze. Not that I support such propaganda, but the gesture is understandable. The early parts of the 20th century had the Koreans under Japanese rule; they were forced to strip and deny their cultural heritage and instead take up Japanese culture. This ruling went on for decades, so their resentment towards the Japanese continues on, even today. It doesn't help that the Japanese doesn't play nice either. For examples, a TVTropes article detailing Japanese manga/Anime/Media/whatever and their treatment of Koreans as a response to real life events pertaining the two countries. Speaking as a Korean, I do feel for my nation, but I was born waaaaay later when this occured and have spent most of my life in the US, so I admit, this doesn't outright affect me. But I personally do get a bit huffy when people completely blame the Koreans for not moving on (not that I'm accusing you, D B) when currently, it's clearly an issue that is coming from BOTH ends. Naturally, I'll just be neutral and stay out of it because while I rather they hug and make up, I completely get that this is something that is beyond a simple "apology". Especially considering how prideful we Asians can get. Err...to stay on topic, I personally see Anime = Cartoons. But I can understand the concern of Anime "overtaking" Western Animations. Anime in American could largely been seen as a fad, maybe a cultural impact, but I don't see it replacing Western cartoons anytime soon. There's still plenty of them out there and more being churned every year. I'm not worried. Last Edited By: NeoRemington373 11/21/2009 3:23 AM. Edited 1 times.
Psxphile		#22	[-]
Posts: 12225 (11/21/2009 12:33 PM) Reality whenever... Gaming forever. Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Oooh!... god damn it Neo, when I came to I realized I've been mesmerized by TVTropes for the last hour and a half thanks to that link of yours! can't... stop... clicking... links.... Sega 02: "SONIC TEAM. The Sonic Team development studio was established to execute the wishes of Sega." Sega 03: "It was intended to enact the business strategy we had created." Sega 05: "However, it appears to have become dominated by a single, zealous individual." Sega 04: "Yes it has. We must take it back into our own dominion." Sega 01: "It is time. We must restore SONIC TEAM and the Sonic series to their proper role." "Iizuka, you will take responsibility for betraying Sega."
Sailor Rose Dust		#23	[-]
Posts: 2439 (11/21/2009 2:39 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	You can never escape TVTropes for long. *avatar courtesy of Matt Moylan's Lilformers site Created by Train Horns
The Turtle Guy		#24	[-]
Posts: 4566 (11/21/2009 2:49 PM) Time Traveller Scalie Power! Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Oh, pff. You just haven't troped enough. I used to trope up everyday after work, but now the stuff barely effects me anymore. I've had to move up to more powerful stuff, like AgonyBooth recaps or Cracked.com.
Full Metal Rayzor		#25	[-]
Posts: 3050 (11/21/2009 7:19 PM) pillar of optimism! Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	NeoRemington373 wrote: Not that I support such propaganda, but the gesture is understandable. The early parts of the 20th century had the Koreans under Japanese rule; they were forced to strip and deny their cultural heritage and instead take up Japanese culture. Huh, I didn't know this! That sounds alot like the premise of Code Geass where the Japanese was taken over by the Brittanian Empire, stripped of their nationality, and was called 11s and treated as second class citizens; I wonder if this is where the creators came out with the idea for CG? Soon to be a proud PSWii60 owner!
gammarallyson		#26	[-]
Posts: 667 (11/21/2009 8:52 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	OH I certainly doubt that! You forget that the main character had a glowing eye and a large harem by his side. XD *Quote:* For TRUTH!
NeoRemington373		#27	[-]
Posts: 3467 (11/21/2009 9:55 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Psxphile wrote: Oooh!... god damn it Neo, when I came to I realized I've been mesmerized by TVTropes for the last hour and a half thanks to that link of yours! can't... stop... clicking... links.... You keep clicking 'em until you're immune to their lure, dearie. Huh, I didn't know this! That sounds alot like the premise of Code Geass where the Japanese was taken over by the Brittanian Empire, stripped of their nationality, and was called 11s and treated as second class citizens; I wonder if this is where the creators came out with the idea for CG? It's a powerful issue that has made Koreans very prideful of their country. Research and you can read more between the animosity of the Koreans and Japanese. Hell, I've heard they even argued over whose country's name would go first on the title for the 2002 World Cup! Last Edited By: NeoRemington373 11/22/2009 2:35 AM. Edited 2 times.
sonicsfan1991		#28	[-]
Posts: 57 (11/22/2009 10:49 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	(It's a powerful issue that has made Koreans very prideful of their country. Research and you can read more between the animosity of the Koreans and Japanese. Hell, I've heard they even argued over whose country's name would go first on the title for the 2002 World Cup! ) i know japanese study korean in their schools, and the languages are close. there's so much similarity between the two i thought they were in good terms, but i can understand if the koreans are being prideful against the japanese, they do measure up to everything japan can do. in manufactering, construction and development and also in pop culture... you can notice korea racing with japan,... there's even korean manga and anime, the art and style isn't that far from the japanese but we hardly see the well made korean products leave their land.. japan has the upper hand though, it has the resources, advertisement and experiance korea lacks now... but who knows of the future. right now though, i'm just trying to figure out why westeren cartoons are loosing their character and starting to take a japanese anime appearance?
darkwinguk		#29	[-]
Posts: 585 (11/22/2009 12:11 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	logs in and tries again Because some exec somewhere decided that anime seems uber-popular these days, so their cartoons might as well emulate them. DW I am the terror that flaps in the night. I am the substantial and inescapable penalty for early withdrawal. I am Darkwing Duck!
D B Vulpix		#30	[-]
Posts: 2012 (11/22/2009 4:12 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Brazillian Rip-Off makes me laugh Ratatoing The Little Cars The Little Panda Fighter Sonic x Lady of the Lake Last Edited By: D B Vulpix 11/22/2009 4:17 PM. Edited 1 times.
NeoRemington373		#31	[-]
Posts: 3468 (11/22/2009 5:58 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	sonicsfan1991 wrote: i know japanese study korean in their schools, and the languages are close. there's so much similarity between the two i thought they were in good terms, but i can understand if the koreans are being prideful against the japanese, they do measure up to everything japan can do. in manufactering, construction and development and also in pop culture... you can notice korea racing with japan,... there's even korean manga and anime, the art and style isn't that far from the japanese but we hardly see the well made korean products leave their land.. japan has the upper hand though, it has the resources, advertisement and experiance korea lacks now... but who knows of the future. That's because Korea and Japan are essentially neighbors. There's only just water between us. They're able to influence/inspired and expore/import or whatever between each other. Their dislike for one another has less to do with them wishing to wipe the other off the map (I will not make a North Korean joke), but just them childishly pointing fingers and playing the blame game. In some weird way, they have a mutual, reluctant symbiotic relationship with one another. Also, I'm a little curious on what you mean by Korea's "lack of " when it comes to resources and experience in terms of animation.
sonicsfan1991		#32	[-]
Posts: 64 (11/22/2009 6:14 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	(Also, I'm a little curious on what you mean by Korea's "lack of " when it comes to resources and experience in terms of animation) japan was more sucessful in advertising its products (anime - manga - movies - music) it also seems to support its artists more so than the koreans support theirs. don't get it the wrong way, it just seems japan has more money to make it big. also i didn't see a lot of korean anime or manga that can surpass japanese animation, their artists really need better motivations and care if they want to walk that path. anyway, let me understand this, koreans aren't trying to out run japan? well i don't know of their total history, it just seemed like they were competeing to me.
NeoRemington373		#33	[-]
Posts: 3469 (11/22/2009 6:42 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	sonicsfan1991 wrote: japan was more sucessful in advertising its products (anime - manga - movies - music) it also seems to support its artists more so than the koreans support theirs. don't get it the wrong way, it just seems japan has more money to make it big. also i didn't see a lot of korean anime or manga that can surpass japanese animation, their artists really need better motivations and care if they want to walk that path. anyway, let me understand this, koreans aren't trying to out run japan? well i don't know of their total history, it just seemed like they were competeing to me. Actually, there's just as much horror stories on the lack of support or proper wage and health care for many Japanese artists who work in grouped studios. One of the prime reasons Japan IS making money in the animated industry is because they have constant support from other countries who want in all the good (after some stories here and there of Anime over in their country not making as much money as they once did). Anime in the US is a HUGE fad that while not up to par today, still lingers. Korea may not have gotten in the bandwagon, but it sounds like you think they're inexperienced in terms of animation. They're one of the leading and just as recently, have taken to making their own series (though they've been doing this for a good while now). Oh, and working on the gazillion Western Animations series you see before you. I also don't get what you mean by Korea trying to "outrun" the Japanese. You make it sound as though Korea's the only one of the two country that is trying to bash Japan to the ground or something. I'm sorry to ask, but I need more elaborations because I'm not quite sure what you're getting at. See, what did I tell ya? Huffy.
sonicsfan1991		#34	[-]
Posts: 66 (11/22/2009 7:47 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	(See, what did I tell ya? Huffy) who's huffy? well anyway about your debate, the japanese produce better animes than the koreans, sorry but that's the truth. they have better planning, they know where to get the right support and how to mange better. i haven't seen a single korean work that surpasses the top japanese animation, take this for an example... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENR6vUqeZpo&feature=related and there's better animations than this, such as ghost in the shell and macross plus. the koreans are animating for the west, that's as far as they went world wide. not a lot of people know koreans make anime and manga even, that's how closed up they are, unless they advance their methods and better their artists with better tools, they will be behind japan. and the reason i'm comparing japan with korea, is because like in my topic here, anime is dominating the cartoon world, you have to get as good or better to survive. i know my words come off strong, i'm just sad they don't use their full potential , they are talented more so than many, it's just they seem still fresh in the game. i really apologize if i anger you, i know how you can get passionate when someone from the outside talks about your people. i just hope you understand that i'm not offending either culture i'm simply giving my opinion on how they might better themselves. doesn't mean i'm right, just means i think i'm right
NeoRemington373		#35	[-]
Posts: 3470 (11/22/2009 8:33 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	sonicsfan1991 wrote: (See, what did I tell ya? Huffy) who's huffy? well anyway about your debate, the japanese produce better animes than the koreans, sorry but that's the truth. they have better planning, they know where to get the right support and how to mange better. i haven't seen a single korean work that surpasses the top japanese animation, take this for an example... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENR6vUqeZpo&feature=related and there's better animations than this, such as ghost in the shell and macross plus. the koreans are animating for the west, that's as far as they went world wide. not a lot of people know koreans make anime and manga even, that's how closed up they are, unless they advance their methods and better their artists with better tools, they will be behind japan. and the reason i'm comparing japan with korea, is because like in my topic here, anime is dominating the cartoon world, you have to get as good or better to survive. i know my words come off strong, i'm just sad they don't use their full potential , they are talented more so than many, it's just they seem still fresh in the game. i really apologize if i anger you, i know how you can get passionate when someone from the outside talks about your people. i just hope you understand that i'm not offending either culture i'm simply giving my opinion on how they might better themselves. doesn't mean i'm right, just means i think i'm right The huffy comment was for me then it was for you. An in-joke to my first topic dealing with the Korean issue, don't pay any mind to it. And don't worry, I'm not offended, just a bit irked. If there is any "lacking" in Korean animations, whether it be just how they draw or in terms of story, you have to keep this mind: it's only just recently that these guys are working out their creativity. They've had cartoons in the past, but it's just now that they're going lengths to create their own stories and movies at this point in time when they haven't had the chance prior. Naturally, such results aren't going to produce Grade A materials at the drop of a hat. You're basically stating they're not trying hard enough which is far from the truth; there's big gaps and obstacles they have to pass to get where they are. Rome wasn't built in a day. In short, you can't fault them for trying. Not to mention they obviously sport the talent to handle the many different art forms of Western Cartoons and oh yes, some Japanese cartoons, too. I don't think you're giving Koreans enough credit. And with that, I'm ending this as I've already gotten WAY off-topic. Last Edited By: NeoRemington373 11/22/2009 9:49 PM. Edited 2 times.
D B Vulpix		#36	[-]
Posts: 2013 (11/22/2009 11:40 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Since we're still on Korea. I watched that squirrel cartoon all the way through...well at least all 26 episodes on youtube. But I DON'T KNOW WHATS GOING OOOON. Please, anyone, if you understand any of it just....i dunno give me a summary or something. I know its propaganda but for some reason I ...actually like it? I'd probably hate it if I could understand it. Sonic x Lady of the Lake
sonicsfan1991		#37	[-]
Posts: 68 (11/23/2009 12:49 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	(it's only just recently that these guys are working out their creativity. They've had cartoons in the past, but it's just now that they're going lengths to create their own stories and movies at this point in time when they haven't had the chance prior) i agree that's why i said they seem fresh in the game, yet they are starting strong. actually ... i find their movies and tv series more fun than japanese ones, the problem with japanese drama is they fantasise a lot, koreans are more natural in their acting .....although japan still out ranks them in cartoons. (Not to mention they obviously sport the talent to handle the many different art forms of Western Cartoons and oh yes, some Japanese cartoons, too. I don't think you're giving Koreans enough credit.) I truely respect them, but i won't go easy on them, they are very good now too, they could make the effeort to introduce themselves to the world. it troubles me that not a lot of people know of korea's achivements, i seen a lot of good work that should be internationally known. (And with that, I'm ending this as I've already gotten WAY off-topic) yeah, but it was fun debating with you. ...i continued till here cause... well, i always like to have the last word
D B Vulpix		#38	[-]
Posts: 2019 (11/25/2009 3:49 PM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I think what's killing cartoons are the network's changing their strategies to try and aim their shows at teenyboppers who drool over boybands, kid rappers, and teen starlets. Too much live action on my cartoon channels. I excuse game shows though. Sonic x Lady of the Lake

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