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I'll probably edit this post later unless someone comes by and replies. But I just wanted to say how curious it is that the government fact checked an SNL skit but weren't brave enough to fact check these quotes. Wikipedia is the most unreliable source out there since anyone can write in it. Despite that fact many students use it because our teachers don't know any better!

EDIT: Anyway I just came back from some quick research before I made a big reply again.

@ Vec:

"First, I am not an Obama supporter, technically. He's just dis guy, you know? It's just that he is the least objectionable person to be a party nominee since I've been around. Many of us "liberal intellectual elitists" were excited to discover a quasi-progressive who actually had charisma and PR skills..."

Sounds like a supporter to me.

"...and with no skeletons in his closet whatsoever."

Other than his associations with a noted terrorist, a noted anti-semite, a noted racist, some real estate fraud, the lack of birth certificate, no experience beyond a couple hundred days in the senate where he mostly voted 'present', etc...

"I knew he would drive the mudslingers crazy."

I call it pointing out facts.

"Bush is responsible for a lot of republican brain drain, but Obama really finished it because since he won the party's been taken over by howlers who flail to come up with ANYTHING they can use against him..."

The Republican party is largely run by too many wishy-washy people with no spines, who swear that the path to victory is a candidate like McCain.

"...to the point that they cheer a city not getting the olympics just because he wanted it to."

Only about half of the city wanted the olympics. Furthermore, Obama and his wife made their speeches more about themselves rather than America or Chicago, so they deserved to lose. Personally I did enjoy him getting a good smack to his ego.

"Second, plenty of those who are self-identified Obama supporters criticize the hell out of him."

I'll grant you that the number of Obama voters with buyers' remorse is on the rise, but the major media networks are still flying cover for him rather than genuinely critiquing him.

"Another desperate attempt at an attack is the 'worship' meme, but it just is not true. That meme confuses (or intentionally conflates) enthusiasm over his skills, and anecdotal evidence of the usual sycophants you get with any politician, into a messiah complex. It's just that most of the opposition attacks are incredibly stupid, and it's hard not to respond to them."

There is an awful lot of anecdotal evidence to hint at this. Moreso than any other president I can remember--I don't recall there being any "Mmm, mmm, mmm, George Walker Bush" songs, or any people swearing that Clinton would pay for their gas, their rent, etc. Is the notion of a cult of Obama zombies overblown? Probably, but again, the problem here is more with the media than it is the actual people.

Furthermore, if you'd like to point out some examples (other than the one below, since Ultra covered it pretty well) of these 'incredibly stupid' opposition attacks, I'd be happy to tell you what I think of them.

"For example, the stupid:

Rush Limbaugh: "You put your kids on a school bus you expect safety but in Obama's America the white kids now get beat up with the black kids cheering 'yeah, right on, right on, right on.' Of course everybody said the white kid deserved it he was born a racist, he's white."

It makes me feel dirty just to copy that, but let's analyze this. First, the incident was not racially motivated. Initial reports suggested it might be, but the quote about saying the white kid deserved it was pure race-baiting speculation. Second, what does Obama have to do with a school bus fight? Apparently he suggests that the election of a black president has turned America into a place where blacks are emboldened into random violence. Is there any other way to interpret it that isn't incredibly racist?"

See above response.

"For example, the valid:

Criticize Obama for appointing financial industry insiders to handle the financial crisis their former employers created.

That is a very dangerous situation, and hundreds of billions of tax dollars are being given to some of the most corrupt people in the world."

I'm sort of with you on this one, but I'm curious who you would appoint instead of insiders. The idea of using people who have no practical experience in the field (IE, those who've only studied it academically) doesn't sound like the smartest thing either. It's kind of a snafu either way, IMO. That said, the only way to get qualified people is to pay high rates. The best people rarely work for free.

"Amidst the asinine/paranoid/racist/insane ramblings of the teabaggers..."

How very open-minded, accepting, and tolerant of you. Any time a republican talks that way about a democrat, we are warned that the moderates and independents will immediately flee to the democrat party. Does this work both ways? Also, would you care to point out some of these so-called asinine, paranoid, racist, and insane ramblings?

"...is this kernel of truth, but teh stoopid gets the attention. It would be great if this got more publicity, and people could come together to oppose it regardless of political affiliation, but stupid is easier to respond to, gets more ratings, and conveniently distracts the populace to a massive redistribution of cash to corporations the media conglomerates are invested in."

I'm with you on the mainstream media going for the low-hanging fruit in order to get ratings. And if by that last line you mean that redistribution of wealth is a bad thing, then I'm with you there, too. I don't want General Electric getting my tax dollars just because MSNBC and other networks GE owns devote extra time to trying to convince us all that Cap and Trade is a good idea.

"If you bring this up, most Obama supporters will agree that he is wrong."

I wish I saw more of them do it on a bigger scale, but bravo.

"The thing is, there are many things that could be resolved without a network of Limbaughs with distracting partisan red meat."

There are many things that would get ramrodded through without any of us knowing about it, too.

"They create controversies of subjects that would not be controversial if there wasn't somebody trying to make political points with them. That is what he is about, plus giving some simpletons convenient scapegoats for their lack of power."

Reminds me of the mainstream media during the Bush years.

@ Rishi:

"For example, I don't agree with the stimulus package that Obama signed into law earlier this year, as it unnecessarily increased the already astronomical size of the US deficit. But I agree with Obama's plans for universal health care."

A healthcare plan that will also dramatically increase costs, according to both logic and the CBO, regardless of what the Obama administration and the media say.

"Hopefully, he'll earn his Nobel Peace Prize in the years of his presidency still to come."

Out of curiousity, what sorts of things would you like to see him do to earn that?


@ Srol:

"Also, if you want another instance of Obama supporters criticizing the president, there was a march of several thousand people last weekend protesting Obama failing to deliver on his gay rights promises. Of course, CNN didn't send a reporter and Fox News only covered it for 4 minutes using courtesy footage from ABC news, so I'm not surprised if you weren't aware of it."

It may only be tangentially relevant, but there was a march of ~2 million tea party protesters on the DC mall just a few weeks ago, and it was pushed under the rug by the media as quickly and as much as possible. Just thought I'd throw that in there.


@ Ultra:

"As for the Rush Limbaugh/NFL bit, I find it hilarious that the media cited WIKIPEDIA for the 'James Earl Ray deserves a posthumous Medal of Honor' and 'slavery built the South' quotes, which were completely made up. Rush has transcripts and his entire show backlogged on his servers. All they have to do is cite when the show occurred where it was uttered, and it can be pulled up. But they can't, because those two comments were made up!"

Kudos for bringing this travesty of national journalism up. I could hardly believe it either when I heard that--also, the notion that he could've said that on-air, and we wouldn't know about it until just now, years later, is absurd. Remember that Don Imus dude? Yeeeeeaaaaa....